Homeowner's Guide to HARP

House MedicineIt appears that more homeowners with little-to-no-equity are gaining an interest in refinancing.  More importantly, they’re gaining confidence that there is an option.  This is good news as it appears the Home Affordable Refinance Program (HARP) is gaining both momentum and attention. 

This seems like the right time to give homeowners an extensive guide to HARP, including who it best benefits, how to give homeowners the best shot of getting approved as well as other options to low-equity refinancing. 

To clarify one fact about HARP that many homeowners do not know, YOU DO NOT NEED TO USE YOUR CURRENT LENDER TO GET A HARP LOAN.  Shop your HARP loan like any other refinance.  The only exception to that rule is if your current loan has PMI, which can only be refinanced through your current lender at the moment.  Even then, a very small handful of lenders will do a HARP loan with PMI.  Also, HARP is not limited to homeowners only.  You can use HARP on 2nd homes and investment properties as long as the loans are owned by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.  In fact, they are actually perfect for investment properties.  You can read more on this topic here.  This contradicts the Making Home Affordable website, which states you may be eligible for HARP if “Own a one- to four-unit home that is your primary residence.”  I can tell you from first hand experience that you can use HARP on 2nd homes and rental properties. 

The HARP program was designed to help homeowners who are looking to refinance but have lost some to all of their equity in their home.  It only applies to homeowners who currently have a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac owned loan, but that does not mean HARP is a homeowners only choice.  In fact, there’s surprisingly several opti0ns available to homeowners that may not have considered, nor did their lender give as an option.  In this post, I will cover who qualifies for a HARP refinance, who best benefits from HARP guidelines, which customers do not qualify for HARP and some alternatives to consider.  One EXTREMELY important detail to note is you cannot refinance under HARP if you have already applied for a modification (HAMP-Home Affordable Modification Program.  If you haven’t decided which is better for you, apply for a HARP refinance first.  If your HARP refinance application is turned down, you can proceed with a modification application.  Attempting to modify your loan first will disqualify you from a HARP refinance. 

 

WHO IS FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC, AND HOW DO I FIND OUT IF THEY OWN MY MORTGAGE? 

One topic that is very confusing for homeowners is finding out who really owns their loan.  You think it would be as simple as looking at the name on your mortgage statement, right?  Not so.  In fact, it’s very rare for a loan to be truly owned by the company you make your payments to.  Lenders usually sell their loans to another entity.  They also will collect payments in behalf  of that entity which is called “Servicing.” 

Let’s suppose you buy your house using Wells Fargo as your lender.  Wells Fargo then sells your loan to Freddie Mac.  Wells Fargo still collects your payments and passes the payments back to Freddie Mac while collecting a small fee for the service.  In this scenario, your loan is owned by Freddie Mac but Wells Fargo is your servicer. 

There are several steps you can take to find out if Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac owns your loan.  It’s vital to try all options before you give up because not all methods work the first time. 

The first place to check to see if either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac owns your mortgage is an online property lookup tool 

Fannie Mae’s lookup tool: 

http://loanlookup.fanniemae.com/loanlookup/ 

Freddie Mac’s lookup tool: 

https://ww3.freddiemac.com/corporate/ 

If your property does not show up on either of the property lookup tools, you should still call Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to see if they own your mortgage.  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do not always have the exact address saved correctly.  This is why it’s important to call. 

Fannie Mae’s phone number: 

1-800-732-6643 or 1-800-7-FANNIE 

Freddie  Mac’s phone number: 

1-800-373-3343 or 1-800-Freddie 

If you don’t have luck there, contact your current servicer and see if they know if you have a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan.  Lastly, you can have the mortgage company you’re applying a HARP loan from run an automated approval through Fannie Mae’s Desktop Underwriter or Freddie Mac’s Loan Prospector software and it may indicate if the property qualifies for a HARP loan. 

MY LOAN IS A FANNIE MAE OR FREDDIE MAC LOAN. NOW WHAT? 

First, find out if your current loan has mortgage insurance.  As it stands now, HARP guidelines require that you work only with your current servicer if your loan has mortgage insurance.  However I have not heard of one servicer who will do this loan.  This topic was covered in my blog post, “Another Flaw With the HARP Program.” 

HARP guidelines say a homeowner can finance up to 125% of their home value.  Most lenders are still following the original guidelines of 105% but a couple of lenders are beginning to finance up to 125%.  Both of these limits are for a first mortgage.  Currently, HARP guidelines do not have a limit to how high your combined-loan-to-value (CLTV) is which means if you have more than one loan, the total amount you owe against your house is not considered in the qualifications of a HARP loan as long as the first mortgage is in the 125% allowable range. 

Even though Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac both allow above 100% financing, please note that the loan pricing is more expensive.  HARP loan pricing is best suited for 95% combined-loan-to-value or less meaning you’ll get your best rates and fees if you have at least 5% equity between all loans owed against the house.  Pricing is increased between 95.01-97% and increased again for anything above 97.01%.  This means you’ll want to be very careful of how much you borrower on your house if your loan amount is near the value of your home.   If your current Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan does not have mortgage insurance, you will not be required to get mortgage insurance on your new HARP loan.  This is one of the major benefits of doing a HARP refinance. 

These programs are also very credit score driven.  Best pricing is for homeowners with a 720 credit score or higher. You can answer a quick 4 question eligibility test on the HARP website here

Here is a quick summary of the HARP loan requirements: 

  • your loan will need to be owned by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac
  • your current loan should not have mortgage insurance (you can contact your current servicer per guidelines but I have not heard of one servicer who will do this yet).
  • you can go as high as 105% of your home value with most HARP lenders and 125% with a few lenders but preferably be at 95% or lower for best pricing.

UPDATED May 29th, 2010- 

There have been two major hurdles on HARP loans that appears to be much easier to overcome.  One, many HARP lenders are now implementing price caps.  What does that mean?  Simply this…it doesn’t matter how bad your refinance situation looks, you’ll never pay more than “X” over the best interest rate that lender has to offer.  Lower credit, condo, investment property or second home, you will not have to pay the huge premiums that HARP loans had last year.  Not all lenders implement a price cap, so it’s important to shop your loan.  Remember when I said you do NOT HAVE TO USE YOUR CURRENT LENDER?  I can’t stress this enough.  Most of the rates/fees I’m seeing from current lenders are much higher.  I have a feeling that most of these lenders know that their current customers check with them first, so they build large premiums in their pricing.  Dont’ pay too much for your loan…be sure to shop it around! 

Two, if you once applied for a HARP loan and was denied because you have a second mortgage that would not allow you to refinance your first mortgage (called a subordination agreement), many lenders have worked with the government and are now allowing subordination.  Below is a list of lenders who I’ve been able to get the subordinations approved with relative ease even though the loan amounts exceeded 100% of the home value: 

  • Bank of America
  • Wells Fargo
  • Chase
  • GMAC
  • Citibank
  • Flagstar
  • Everbank
  • Key Bank

UPDATED June 17th, 2010- 

It’s important to know that HARP is only eligible for loans that were purchased by Fannie Mae by March 1st, 2009 and May 31st, 2009 for Freddie Mac according to a source.  A colleague of mine (Rhonda Porter at Mortgage Master Services) recently worked with a client who originated a loan LONG before March 1st, 2009 but Fannie Mae did not securitize (or purchase) the loan from the lender until after this date.  This made the loan ineligible for a HARP refinance.  Here is an excerpt of her blog post here: 

We also need to eliminate the securitization factors of when Fannie or Freddie bought the existing mortgage for it to be eligible for a HARP refi.  I recently had a client where it showed on Fannie Mae’s site that he indeed has a mortgage owned by Fannie Mae–it was not until we received an error message trying to underwrite it through DU (the automated underwriting system) that we called Fannie Mae to discover that the loan had been securitized (purchased by Fannie Mae) one day too late to qualify (March 1, 2009).  This person’s loan closed in December 2008, was sold the the bank and then took months for Fannie Mae to purchase.  This means this upside-down home owner does not qualify to reduce his payment by $250 per month.  Imagine what the $250 a month would do for him and/or the economy.  It gives him some probably needed monthly financial wiggle room and he just might spend a little more which helps our economy too. 

To read more, CLICK HERE 

  

I NEED OTHER OPTIONS.  WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE? 

  

Surprisingly, there are some great options available if you do not qualify for a HARP loan or you don’t like the pricing. 

A great alternative for the general public is FHA.  FHA allows up to 97.15-97.75%(depending on your area) of the home to be financed.  What makes FHA special is they do not have a limit for combined loans AND there are no negative pricing adjustments if the 2nd mortgage exceeds 100% like HARP loans.  Let’s suppose you have one loan at 95% of the home value and a second mortgage equal to 15% of the home value.  The two loans together equal 110% of the home value.  You then can pay off just the first mortgage with a FHA loan and keep the second mortgage above 100% of your value.  More importantly, FHA has much lower credit score requirements, the previous loan does not need to be a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan and it doesn’t matter if the loan being paid off has mortgage insurance.  The only caveat is that all FHA 30 year loans require mortgage insurance. 

My favorite option using FHA  is their 15 year mortgage.  FHA allows a homeowner to finance up to 90% of their home on a FHA 15 year loan with NO MORTGAGE INSURANCE.  The same guidelines regarding combined value and credit apply as above. 

Let’s say I have a homeowner who is interested in a 15 year fixed loan and no equity.  They have a loan equal to 85% of their home value and a second mortgage equal to 25% of their home value for a total value of 110%.  They can refinance on a FHA 15 year loan and payoff the first mortgage and keep the remaining second mortgage.  They do not pay mortgage insurance on the first mortgage and there are no pricing adjustments for the 2nd mortgage exceeding 100%.  Yes, 15 year loans have a higher payment since the pay off is faster, but between the lower rate of a 15 year loan and the removal of mortgage insurance, much of the payment increase is covered.  Plus this loan will pay down the borrower’s balance faster helping the homeowner gain their lost equity back. 

Second, military veteran’s should find out if they can finance their new refinance with a VA(Veteran’s Affairs) loan. In October of 2008, the department of Veterans Affairs opened up the guidelines for veteran’s to allow them to refinance higher loan amounts and up to 100% of their home value when paying off an existing non-VA loan. This is a huge improvement to previous guidelines which only allowed up to 90% of the home value with a maximum loan amount of $144,000. However, the VA does not allow the loans to exceed 100% of the value under any circumstances. If you have two loans and they equal above the value of your home, you cannot do a VA loan. 

To recap, here is a summary of when you would want to consider government loan programs: 

  • For veteran’s who owe up to 100% but not over 100% of their value, VA is a great loan option
  • Homeowners who owe up to 97% of their first mortgage and have a second mortgage above 97% should consider a FHA loan.  If the homeowner’s first mortgage is not a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan, FHA will likely be their only option.
  • Any homeowner who has little equity and does not have a loan owned by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac should consider a FHA loan.
  • FHA 15 year loans do not require mortgage insurance as long as the FHA loan is at 90% of the home value or less REGARDLESS of the 2nd mortgage balance and combined loan-to-value.

UPDATE 9-1-2010 

New FHA guidelines will no longer allow financing with second mortgages exceeding 100% of the home value.  All FHA applications dated after September 7th, 2010 will be subject to these new guidelines.  Read more about how this affects homeowners who are applying for a refinance with a second mortgage here: 

http://www.keaneloans.com/2010/09/01/problem-with-new-fha-short-refinancpayoff-program/ 

MORE OPTIONS? 

  

For the most part, homeowners are limited to the loan products above.  However, that does not mean they do not have other options.  Whether a homeowner needs a little more equity to qualify for any of the loan options above or to improve their loan pricing, they may consider getting another loan somewhere else to cover the cost. 

One suggestion I’ve given clients that has helped is getting a 401k loan.  401k loans are loans taken against a  person’s retirement plan.  It’s not a withdrawal of retirement funds, so the person does not pay tax or penalty costs for the loan.  In many cases, the interest the person pays on a 401k loan is actually used to fund their retirement account which means they’re paying interest to themselves. 

On a Fannie Mae HARP refinance (DU Refi Plus), the additional cost from a 95% loan-to-value loan to a 97.01+% loan is a 1.75% fee.  This means if your appraisal shows you have 2.99% equity or less, you have to pay a 1.75% fee or higher rate compared to someone that had 5% equity.  If you could get a small 401k loan to cover the difference, it may be worth your while.  On a $200,000 loan amount, a 1.75% fee is $3,500!  Borrowing $4,000 (2%) more in equity that you will pay yourself back to save a $3,500 fee you will never get back is a great money-saving solution. 

UPDATE 

If you are looking to do a HARP refinance and currently have a fixed mortgage through Freddie Mac, you cannot do an Open Access Freddie Mac HARP refinance to an adjustable rate.  You can only refinance to another fixed loan. 

UPDATE 

The HARP program was set to expire on June 10th, 2010.  The program was extended and now is set to expire on June 30th, 2011, approximately one year later.  News of this extension can be found here. 

FHA REFINANCE FOR UNDERWATER MORTGAGES-  

 

FHA just announced that they will be rolling out a new program to help underwater homeowners.  This was announced along with some updates to the HAMP program

UPDATE AUG. 6TH, 2010 

HUD released a press release regarding this program: 

HUD No. 10-173Brian Sullivan
(202) 708-0685 

 
FOR RELEASE
Friday
August 6, 2010
FHA LAUNCHES SHORT REFI OPPORTUNITY FOR UNDERWATER HOMEOWNERS
Effort designed to encourage principal write-downs for responsible borrowers
WASHINGTON – In an effort to help responsible homeowners who owe more on their mortgage than the value of their property, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development today provided details on the adjustment to its refinance program which was announced earlier this year that will enable lenders to provide additional refinancing options to homeowners who owe more than their home is worth. Starting September 7, 2010, the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) will offer certain ‘underwater’ non-FHA borrowers who are current on their existing mortgage and whose lenders agree to write off at least ten percent of the unpaid principal balance of the first mortgage, the opportunity to qualify for a new FHA-insured mortgage.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE 

The actual guidelines for FHA were also released on HUD’s Mortgagee Letter 2010-23.  Lender use mortgagee lenders as their guideline to originate FHA loans, which means that lenders should be approving these mortgages now.  What I found that was interesting is that existing FHA guidelines technically already allowed these types of refinances.  The limit on the second lien mortgage is actually a cap that used to not exist on FHA financing. 

The mortgagee letter does begin to illustrate the benefit the second lien holders will receive for taking reduced payoffs.  The letter indicates each servicer will receive $500 and incentives based on combined-loan-to-value. 

Existing second mortgage lien servicers will be entitled to a one time incentive of $500 for each successful closing. Existing second mortgage lien investors will be entitled to an incentive based on the combined loan to value of the existing lien and all senior liens associated with the mortgage. The actual incentive pay-out schedule and more information on this program will be available at www.hmpadmin.com.

 

  

  

The announcement states that the program will begin September 7th. 

I’ve studied the material for this new program and surprisingly, it’s not that different than a regular FHA loan.  The difference is the government is giving incentives to the homeowners existing lenders to write down their loan balances, thus allowing the borrower to qualify for a new FHA loan.  Here are the requirements: 

  • The new FHA loan can be as high as 97.75% of the homes value
  • The homeowners existing loans cannot be a FHA loan
  • For the existing lender to qualify for government incentives, the first mortgage must require at least a 10% write-down from the original balance of the first mortgage
  • The government is also giving incentives to second lien lenders as well.  They will give them incentives to write-down their balances so the combined value of the first and second mortgage do not exceed115% of the home value.  As you’ve seen from my original posting regarding FHA loans, FHA allows second mortgage companies to have an infinite value over the value of the home as long as the FHA first mortgage is at 97.75% or less.  This is one difference between this program versus a regular FHA loan.
  • The refinance is voluntary, so both the homeowner must agree to the refinance terms and the existing lenders must agree to the write-down of their loan balance.
  • The homeowner cannot be late on their mortgage payments
  • The homeowner must occupy the property
  • The minimum credit score for this program is 500 (Though I doubt lenders will fund new FHA loans with a score this low)
  • The total house payment, including the payment of a second mortgage, must be no greater than approximately 31% of the homeowners gross income.  Further, the total household debt cannot exceed approximately 50%.  (I love how they use “Approximately” in the definition).

Reference Fact Sheet here 

They key to this program is that the government is INCENTIVIZING lenders to write-down their loans.  What does this really mean?  The lender writes off the balance of the loan exceeding 97.75% of the homes value and the government will give them money to help recoup the losses.  It’s for homeowners who have paid their mortgage on time, so it’s right in-line with HARP clients.  There are two major differences.  When a homeowner refinances on this program, they will owe less on their house thanks to Uncle Sam.  Also, they can refinance to a low 30-year fixed rate regardless of what kind of loan they have.   This may end up being the solution for homeowners who have loans with mortgage insurance. 

There are many details that still need to be answered.  FHA currently has loan limits depending on the county.  Will these loan limits remain?  My guess is they will, so be sure to check your local FHA loan limit here.  They have not said who can originate these loans yet either.  I hope that they have learned from their mistakes with HARP and allow any lender to originate the new loan.  HARP loans with mortgage insurance required homeowners to work with their existing lender, yet none of the major banks who participated in HARP have begun refinancing homes with mortgage insurance. 

If this program is available to all FHA lenders, this has the potential to be a big success.  However, there are many obstacles to overcome.  First, every lender will need ample time to service the write-down requests and the origination of the new loans.  At the time of this update, HARP has available for approximately a year, yet many lenders are still giving homeowners difficulty.  If this program has an expiration date of anything less than 2 years, it will have little impact on our housing market.  Except, of course, if the government extends it (that tends to be norm these days). 

This brings up two questions.  When will lenders start offering this program and what incentives are given to the lender from the government?  The “Frequently Asked Questions”of this program state the program will be rolled out immediately and will hopefully be in affect this fall.  I will be researching to find out what the incentives are for the lender.  If the incentves are minimal, this program will fail.  If the incentives are too large, it raises the question, “Who’s paying for this?”  I believe all of us can answer that question. 

For lenders, it sounds like we’ll be wearing two hats.  Originating a new FHA loan and negotiating a principal balance write-down with the current lenders.  I’m interested in seeing how this plays out. 

Be sure to revisit this blog post for any updates. 

FHA REFINANCE UPDATE 6/9/2010 

I confirmed with HUD (The Department of Urban and Housing Development) that FHA will insure these refinances regardless of the new lender.  This means consumers can competitively shop a FHA refinance for a reduced balance payoff.  The program is fairly straight forward and easy enough that we should see some success.  That said, HARP is a very straight forward program but I hear horror stories almost daily, so like HARP, I don’t expect all lenders to execute these well. 

The unique twist to these refinances that will hold up many refinances from closing is the negotiations with the existing lenders.  Lenders and loan officers are having a hard enough time closing the loans.  Negotiating an existing lender to take a lesser amount opens up the chance for increased liability and error.  I believe the most successful lenders will likely be working with attorneys who will handle these negotiations similar to loan modifications and short sales.  I’ve already begun speaking with attorneys who specialize in these services to see what they’re opinion is of this program.  Stay tuned for updates. 

Although FHA guidelines allow for these refinances, many lenders will not close these loans.  If you’re looking for a refinance of this type, be sure to find a lender who can do this loan first, then see if there’s a loan officer at the firm who has experience with these transactions.  They’re new, so don’t expect great results if you’re an early adopter.  I will provide updates of my experiences and post lists of lenders and loan types I’ve had success with.  Follow this post in the future for these updates. 

For FHA to insure a refinance with a short payoff, the borrower must prove 

  • There is insufficient equity in the home based on it’s current appraised value AND/OR
  • The borrower has experienced a reduction in income and does not have the capacity to repay the existing indebtedness against the property.

Unlike short sales and loan modifications, the borrower will not be asked to slow pay their mortgage  to qualify.  FHA allows a couple of late payments but nothing more than 2x 30-day late payments in the last year and the loan cannot currently be late. 

 

180 comments to Homeowner’s Guide to HARP

  • Erik

    Hi Keane,

    Thanks for all your helpful information. We have a mortgage with PMI with CitiMortgage and I called and they are willing to refinance under HARP. I was initially excited, but I am skeptical of the closing costs. They are saying that closing costs will be $6,000 and they require a $450 application & appraisal fee. Is this high for a HARP refinance?

    Also, I am worried that our appraisal will come back low and that they will give us a higher rate. They asked me to guess on the value of the house and I said $170,000 because a similar home on our block sold for that recently. The problem is that we also have a few foreclosure homes on our block that are selling for $49,000. The Zillow.com estimate came in at $97,000 for our house…

    Our original mortgage was $181,000 and we currently owe $170,500. Our current rate is 6.375% and Citi offered us a rate of 5.125% for the refinance.

    Should I wait on the HARP refinance to see if the FHA refinance program is better?

    Thanks for your help,
    Erik

  • Erik,

    Do you have a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac mortgage?

    Ask if the value pertains to the price and what minimum value they need. HARP allows up to 125%, so I’m guessing they need a value of $137k or more.

    Also, make sure the $6k in costs is true closing costs and not your prepaids. $6k of just fees is absorbantly high but I have a feeling it’s not all fees.

  • Hello Keane,
    Came across your site (nice to see your local too!) and looking for advice and assistance if you would offer it! :)

    We have a home loan through B of A and we are currently underwater. We have a 40 Year 7% Loan with PMI and with 258k remaining. Our area houses are going for 200ish. We would like to refinance.

    We called BofA and they said since we have PMI, they will only go up to 105% and not 125%.

    Are we stuck? We have credit scores above 800 and no other credit card debt. Only the underwater house.

    Any ideas or help?

    BTW, if you want to chat via phone, please let me know!

    Thanks!

    Chase
    Marysville, WA

  • Erik

    Good Morning Keane,

    We have a Fannie Mae mortgage. You are correct about the 125% of the value, but it sounds like the worse our LTV ratio is, the higher the interest rate will be. I am worried about a low appraisal raising the interest rate that we qualify for with the refinance. That is why I am wondering if I should wait for the FHA program you are talking about.

    Here is how the $6,000 in closing costs works out.

    Origination charge – $790
    Charge for interest rate of 5.125 – $1,273
    Service (appraisal, flood certificate, etc. – $427
    Title services and lender’s title insurance – $1,392
    Government Recording Charge – $92
    Transfer taxes – $490
    Initial deposit into escrow – $669
    Interest charges on loan for first 30 days – $744
    Hazard insurance – $103

    Total = $5,980

    Do these fees seem reasonable for a HARP refinance?

    Thanks for your help,
    Erik

  • MS

    Keane,

    Any thoughts on the ‘Mega-Refi’ that is making the news lately.. all big heads are discussing this topic which could impact positively all of us ‘Underwater borrowers’ – seems like.. Please share your insights into this please…

    Thanks, – Muthu

  • Chase,

    This is the 2nd comment I’ve seen where B of A had offered somebody a PMI HARP loan at 105%. I’ll request info from a contact I know there. I hope this is correct!

  • Erik,

    It’s reasonable. The 30 days of interest, deposit in escrow and hazard insurance are not fees. You’ll get all of that back when you skip a payment and get your escrow refund. You may be able to do better but it’s not that bad with all things considering. The lender fees are relatively low, but I don’t know your loan amount. Either way, it looks fine.

  • Muthu,

    The new principal reduction loan through FHA could be a big help but I don’t know a lender who does them. Plus, with the introduction of this program, FHA no longer can go above 100% of the value of the home on a second mortgage. That was a great option for non-Fannie and non-Freddie loans that were upside down. From what I can see, we’re taking one step forward and two back. It will always be difficult to negotiate a lender to take less than what they owe. The process will likely be the same or worst than a short sale since the reduced payoff will behandled by the same loss-mitigation departments. All of these homeowners who have not gone through a short sale will learn quickly why it’s so difficult facilitate.

  • Vincent

    Hi Keane,

    Great info. Appreciate your advice on my situation below:

    1st mortgage: 280K (5.5% 30yr fixed) owned by Freddie Mac serviced by CitiMortgage
    2nd mortgage (equity loan): 100K (7.0% 30yr fixed) serviced by CitiMortgage

    Current house value is approx 340K. A few lenders rejected my application to refinance since my combined LTV is 109% and I’m not under hardship to repay. Am I a good candidate to apply for HARP or FHA program you memtioned? If I am, pls recommend a few lenders that offer HARP or FHA program.

    Thx in advance for your help,
    Vincent

  • MS

    Vincent,

    Sorry to share my experience ahead of Keane. Of course Keane is the expert – I am just a consumer like – i was in a similar situation like you minus the 2nd loan with CITI – I ended up REFI’ing with them under HARP for a new lower rate of 5.5%! So since you are starting at 5.5% I am curious how much lower CITI can offer to take you under the HARP umbrella? Please share your experience once things start rolling…. From my little experience I could tell you are a good HARP candidate ..

    MS

  • Vincent,

    A few tips, first, have your lender order a FHA case # EVEN IF YOU WANT A HARP LOAN. FHA is changing their guidelines and any FHA application with a new case # ordered on September 7th or later will not allow a 2nd mortgage to exceed 100% of the home value unless it’s a principal reduction loan. If you order the case # now, you can go either way and will be grandfathered into today’s guidelines.

    What kind of loan are you seeking? Another 30 year fixed? With good credit, you should only have one price adjustment that should take you around the middle to high 4% range on today’s rates. FHA doesn’t have a price adjustment for loan-to-value so you can get closer to middle to lower 4%’s depending on your lender but you will be subject to mortgage insurance where the HARP loan will not require you to take mortgage insurance.

    MS is right in that you’re criteria fits. The only thing you’ll want to be mindful of is how long you plan on being in the house and what kind of costs you’ll pay to get a rate that makes sense for you. Your rate isn’t bad, so you do need a rate in the middle to lower 4′s to probably make sense or a rate at least .5% lower that has very little to no fees. It all depends on how long you plan on being in the home. Just remember you cannot refinance a HARP loan with another HARP loan, so whatever you get this time will likely be your last loan on this house.

  • MS,

    Don’t worry, your contributions are appreciated! I don’t know everything. I gather my data from my experiences with customers, colleagues both in my company out in other companies and from customers like you. I won’t say I’m excited about the new program because I see coherent problems that could create a lot of redtape and end up just like the HAFA short sale program. Sure it helps, but not at the expense of turning down a ton of customers and putting everybody through a long and painful process. The problems I see are similar to those on short sales since lenders will be working with the same loss-mitigation departments at lenders, which is not an easy task. Even more difficult when there’s two loans underwater, mortgage insurance or both. HARP may not be perfect but the only hurdles we face is PMI and 2nd mortgage subordinations, which most are going through with the 2nd mortgage subordinations now.

  • Vincent

    Keane- Thx for your insights. My thinking is to consolidate the 2 loans together (1st mortgage and equity loan) and go with to either a 15 yr or 20 yr fixed. Can I do this under the HARP? Rates I found for 370K loan are 4.75% with .305% pt for 20 yr fixed and 4.375% with .491% pt for 15 yr. Are these rates reasonable? Thx again.

    Vincent

  • Stan Minkus

    I currently have a loan serviced by Litton Loan Servicing. My payoff is $223,000. I started the process of refinancing two weeks ago and had an appraisal done. It came in at $205,000. I was told that my home is DU Refi Plus eligible with no MI, but the lender I was working with said they could not go above 105% and I do not have the $12k to close the loan. Litton told me that they only service loans and do not do any refinancing. A 5.25% loan would save me $260/month. Do any lenders actually go to 110% ltv on one mortgage for this program? I had an FHA appraisal done that I believe can be transferred.

  • Stan,

    What state are you in?

  • Stan Minkus

    I am in North Carolina.

  • Stan,

    I’m not sure if 53rd Bank lends in your state, but I know they went that high on loan-to-value.

  • Stan Minkus

    thanks.

  • Shelley

    Keane-
    great website, thank you. I have been trying to contact fannie mae directly but is impossible. Hoping you can assist:
    We currently refi-ed about a 16 months ago with national City (now PNC) to a 30 yr 4.875% motgage. 1st mortgage was 400K, 2nd (equity line) was 16k. No PMI. Value (then) of house was 500k. The 2nds has been paid off and we dont care if we keep it.
    We are trying to refi to a 15 year at about 3.75-3.875 under HARP. I have been getting conflicting info from the 2 brokers that we have been trying to work with. Our value could be down significantly (75-100K) based on what the neighbors have been getting back. We have about 20K we plan to put at the mortgage regardless. Credit scores are excellent, income is sufficient.

    Question 1: If our LTV is >80/20 are we required to escrow the taxes or home owners? [one broker says yes its law (although i can find nothing to support that comment); the other says as long as we are 90/10 LTV we will not have to escrow]
    Question 2: We started the refi process last Jan 09 but becasue of delays at National it took months to get thru the process. are we truly ineligible for HARP because of the timing of the closing with National City (April 09)?

  • Shelley,

    Some states do have provisions requiring escrow. Is this a big conern of yours?

    Your loan must have been purchased and securitized by Fannie Mae by March of 2009 or May of 2009 for Freddie Mac loans. Which of the two do you have? It’s very close, so it’s less likely.

    One trick you can do as an alternative is explore FHA. FHA 15 year loans do not require mortgage insurance at 90% value or less, so if you can buy it down to that loan-to-value, you can explore that option. Especially if you find out you don’t qualify for HARP due to the securitization date. FHA does require escrow impounds though.

  • Daniel

    Keane, Here is my situation (State Florida):
    Current loan balance is 259K @6.85% 30 year fixed (26 years left), owned by freddie mac and serviced by BoA. No PMI. No Escrow. Estimated appraisal value is 180K. Excelent credit scores.

    I read about the upcoming sept 7 short refinance, what do you recomend and what are the steps to follow. Where do i start?

    My biggest concern is how to get the current lender to write down at least 10%? Is my current lender freddie mac?

    Appreciated,

  • Daniel,

    This program is getting a lot of attention, but I don’t have any reports of a successful refinance yet.

  • Craig

    Hi Keane,

    I have a question. I am trying to get a HARP loan. I currently have a Freddie Mac loan. I have a 93% LTV but my lender says that since my CLTV is over 95% (I have an equity loan) that I have to pay a premium of .375% added to my rate. Is this correct? I thought for HARP they only looked at the LTV.

    Also in my current mortgage I do not escrow my taxes and insurance however he says that if my LTV is below 80% I now have to escrow with my new HARP loan. Is this true? I thought under HARP everything about your loan stays the same but the rate.

    Thanks,

    Craig

  • Kevin

    I’m lost on wether HARP can help us and what is possible. Any thoughts?

    Chase originally mailed us a letter to say we qualify for HARP. We tried and were denied with a cryptic letter saying our income disqualifies us; at the time I had a 15% cut and my wife was out of work. We tried again, my wife had part time work and the new excuse was the ratio disqualified us.

    This is our first home, purchased at 184k and we know owe 164, but the local estimates for our home are roughly 152k. I’m not sure why we are not qualifying, since this is our only debt and we are at minimum 8% over the estimated value. I assume it is the PMI and the Lender’s willingness to do a refinance or modification.

    By the way, our loan statements are coming through LBPS instead of Chase. ANyone have experience with LBPS?

  • Lindsey

    Hi Keane -
    My loan officer at SunTrust said that because of the original loan I took out (95% LTV with no PMI but a higher interest rate) they will only refinance if the LTV is 97% or less and they are estimating my property to be more like 100% currently. She said there were no other options for refinancing. Isn’t the purpose of HARP to be able to refinance up to at least 105%? Does the original type of loan that I took out make me ineligible to refinance anywhere or just with Suntrust? Should I contact other lenders and do you have any recommendations on ones that seem to be better at working with HARP? I am in Georgia and my loan is owned by Fannie Mae. Thank you.

  • Wren

    Hi,

    Our payoff balance on our loan is $275K and our real estate agent thinks our house would appraise around $250K. We are 4.5 years into a 30yr 6.25% fixed loan. We would like to refi but have PMI attached to our loan that is held by BofA (formally Countywide). We are hoping to refi, rent our house out and buy a new house with $50K we have in the bank. We have credit scores in the low 800′s and no other loans and zero credit card debt.

    Do we have any options or are we just stuck?

    Thanks,
    Wren in California

  • Craig,

    Everything you’ve been shared is true. LTV and CLTV affect pricing. Loans over 80% do required impounds but I think there’s something in CA that doesn’t require this in CA, but I’m not sure.

    All of the price adjustments you’ve been quoted sound correct. Sorry, it’s not just LTV that affects pricing.

  • Kevin,

    Debt to income ratio may have been a problem but the PMI is definitely a hurdle that income cannot fix. The only confirmed lenders I know of that will do a HARP loan when there’s PMI is Wells Fargo and Flagstar, which which they only do these if they’re currently only serviced by Wells and Flagstar respectively. They won’t do other PMI loans.

  • Lindsey,

    I haven’t heard whether Suntrust will do loans with PMI. Your higher rate loan is really a “Lender Paid Mortgage Insurance” loan or LPMI. Even though you don’t pay PMI directly, the lender is and you see it in your higher rate. This small provision still prohibits you from doing a HARP loan with a lender who is not re-issuing the PMI.

    The 97% quote you got from your lender was probably referring to FHA, which allows 97.15-97.75% of your home value.

  • Wren,

    I hate to say it, but you’re currently stuck. B of A and Chase do not do self-serviced PMI loans yet. I’m hoping they’ll do them soon and 3rd party options become available because this is one of the last major problems we face with HARP. Sorry, but don’t give up. I promise I’ll be sharing the news if/when refinancing PMI loans will become available through these channels.

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